The late war and the book of mormon

Chris johnson, duane johnson, in a comparison of the book of mormon and the late war between the united states and great britain, propose a number of parallel sentence structures between gilbert hunts book the late war and the book of mormon. The late war was a direct source for some of the language and content of the book of mormon. Extensive computer analysis proves late war has more in common with other books, such as the american revolution by richard snowden, published in 1823, than it does with the book of mormon. The rediscovery of the late war by gilbert hunt recently as a possible source for understanding the language, style, and narrative content of the. My response is, if you believe that, you are in the minority. Was the late war against the united states a source for the book.

Several studies by chris and duane johnson compared the texts of 5,270 books published between 1500 and 1830 to the book of mormon. He seems to be the same guy who also endorsed the book of mormon unless there were two renowned dr samuel l. The late war is essentially a history book about the war of 1812. The late war between the united states and great britain wikipedia. An assumption is being made that joseph smith must have read gilbert hunts the late war in the absence of any evidence to support it. Hunt by matt roper and paul fields the late war against the. The late war between the united states and great britain from june, 1812, to february 1815 g. Late war by gilbert hunt recently as a possible source for understanding the language, style, and narrative content of the book of mormon.

The chapter on warfare in john sorensons recent mormons codex. As a follow up to my previous post about the late great war against the book of mormon, there are some interesting parallels between the late war and the book of mormon that have gained some attention, especially among our critics. In october 20, the authors conducted a data analysis comparing the book of mormon to over 100,000 books from the pre1830s era. Book of mormon plagiarism theories and the late war. The late war, a narrative of the war of 1812 written in pseudobiblical style, contains a remarkably high number of direct parallels in language, phrasing, and ideas with the book of mormon. We build enduring faith in jesus christ by making the book of mormon accessible, comprehensible, and defensible to the entire world. Although present in the book of mormon, and ancient hebrew, they are also found elsewhere, including an description of the concept in a mid1920s bible commentary written by adam clarke, and a 21 level chiasmus is found in the late war, a book published before the book of mormon. An easy target for critics of the book of mormon is its reported army sizes and battle casualties.

Parallels for the 2,000 stripling warriors in the book of. The final extermination of the nephites, for instance, reportedly involved tens of thousands of combatants and hundreds of thousands of combatant and noncombatant casualties mormon 6. Chris johnson, duane johnson, in a comparison of the book of mormon and the late war between the united states and great britain,propose a number of. Curious parallels between the book of mormon and the. Having names and dates for these wars can help readers keep all of this confusing action straight.

Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading the late war against the book of mormon interpreter. It seems lately that theyve backed off that verbiage somewhat. In the 21st century, speculation arose that the late war. The late war was designed to inculcate a knowledge of recent history and a spirit of patriotism in students who might be called upon one. Did joseph smith steal from the late war to write the book of. Instead of reading the designated bom passage, i will mistakenly read a passage from the late war. Although the book of mormon is a complex record, it is still very clear and purposeful. Scriptural style in early nineteenth century american literature including the late war by gilbert j. The approximate dates and locations of these wars, along with accompanying scriptural references, are listed in this chart. Did i miss the chapters about global warming, polygamy in this life and the next oh yeahit was forbidden, gay people trying their hardest to be active latterday saints, heavenly mother, the president packercondemned movement of feminism, or coping with the church building a 1. A comparison of the book of mormon and the late war between the united states and great britain late war comparison by chris and duane johnson. Additional computer analysis demonstrates that regarding noncontextual words, archaic words, structure of the language, unusual words, distinguishing phrases, and content topics, the book of mormon is more similar to king james style than the late war.

The problem that chris and duane johnson made in their late war argument was couching their statements with phrasing suggesting that the book of mormon was copied from the late war. A 19 th century book, the history of the late war between the united states and great britain, has been mentioned before now as a possible source for the book of mormon, most notably by rick grunder in his 2008 work, mormon parallels. Late war shares 70 phrases that are 49 words long with the book of mormon, but shares 382 with american revolution. An example of how the book of mormon reflects popular early 19th century war themes and rhetoric, and a possible direct influence for the writing style and some thematic content of the book of mormon i see this book as having some significant implications for. Book of mormon and late war comparison mormonleaks. The internets been abuzz with hype this week about a new computer study by duane and chris johnson which purports to identify four literary influences on the book of mormon besides the king james bible gilbert j. The book of mormon was consciously styled in the language of the late war but was not dependent on it for literary content. The late war between the united states and great britain. Between 1817 and 1819 it was marketed for the use of schools throughout the. A journal of mormon scripture 7 kindle edition by mcguire, benjamin l download it once and read it on your kindle device, pc, phones or tablets.

This indicates that jane austens work was less influenced by her literary culture than the book of mormon. Its written in scriptural language and was published in 1816. Do hebraisms in the late war undermine the ones in the. You say that the book of mormon was written for our day. In the 21st century, speculation arose that the late war influenced the 1830 work the book of mormon. What do mormons think about the theory that the 1816 book. The view of the hebrews, the late war, and the book of napoleon are clearly not the source of the book of mormon and finally, point 11. This is a followup to my length post on curious parallels between the book of mormon and the late war against the united states.

These episodes are best seen as a continuation of our discussion from earlier this year wherein john hamer provides a 19th century context for the book of mormon john hamer graciously created a number of slides that give important visual cues to his. This theory that there was a connection between the book of mormon and the late war between the united states and great britain was. A comparison of the book of mormon and the late war between the united states and great britain. Debunking the connection between the late war and the. Some have found strong linguistic correspondence and declared that there is an authorial relationship. Was the late war against the united states a source for. Surprisingly, the uniform match score between the book of mormon and the late war scoring 0. A work contemporaneous with the book of mormon, called the late war between the united states and great britain by g. The late war, the first book of napoleon if i ever attend gospel doctrine again, i typically leave after sacrament, i will volunteer to read a book of mormon passage.

I have read through my patient little clothbound copy of hunts book a number. Dear mormons, you dont know the book of mormon is true. While religious freedom and freedom from tyranny are aspects of american history, the kjv apocrypha and flavius josephus are just some of the ancient sources where these same themes. The second argument by lds scholarsthat there are more differences than similarities between the late war and the book of mormonis an argument against outright plagiarism, but it rings hollow because it does not refute the critics point that the late war influenced at least the vocabulary joseph used in producing the book of mormon differences between the two books do not erase simi. Join us now for this mormon stories podcast episode, where historian john hamer offers his theory as to how the book of mormon was created.

Book of mormon central archive the late war against the book of mormon. The authors note that the late war does not include the phrase stripling soldiers like the book of mormon. Chris johnsons exmormon conference talk explaining the research that found a connection between the late war1816 and the book of. Did joseph smith steal from the late war to write the book. The late war appears to be a supported literary style within a genre. The book of mormon and the late war both describe fighting for liberty from kings late war p. It seems likely that most latterday saints are unfamiliar with the theory. In recent years the book of mormon has been compared to pseudobiblical texts like gilbert j. The late war against the book of mormon book of mormon. The late war uses words or phrases that also appear in the book of mormon. Book of mormonplagiarism accusationsthe late war fairmormon. The book of mormon is often called the keystone of the church of jesus christ of latterday saints otherwise known as the mormon church. A journal of mormon scripture 7 20 table of contents.

Was the beginning of the book of mormon derived from the first book of napoleon. New computer study purports to detect literary influences. Book of mormon wordprint studies have been used by both critics and apologists to provide valuable insights into the text of the bom. A single example out of hundreds between the late war published 1816 and the book of mormon published 1830. While its hard not to yawn at many of the parallels from the latest, greatest smoking gun for book of mormon plagiarism, some of the parallels from that obscure book, the late war against the united states, are certainly interesting, at least on first glance at. Out of the top matches, we discovered a book called the late war between the united states and great britain, a scriptural style account of the war of 1812 published in new york in 1816. The late war does not include the phrase stripling soldiers like the book of mormon. Book of mormon defenders as evidence of an underlying ancient hebrew text. The late war against the book of mormon interpreter. The late war, the book of mormon, and big data duane johnson 2. The late war is doubly significant to mormon studies in exhibiting a wide variety of the same literary hebraisms which some book of mormon defenders promote as indicators of an ancient original hebrew text. Problem is that too many still want to run with it. For example, one writer, convinced that the late war was an important source for the book of mormon, provides a lengthy list of parallels over at patheos.

An ancient american book also should be read by anyone even mildly impressed with the late war as a possible explanation for the book of mormon. Mitchells from new york who were approached for literary endorsements. The authors believe their studies indicate the book of mormon is dependent on the book the late war, between the united states and great britain, from june 1812, to february 1815. Can we, who have studied it for decades of our lives, better explain its origins. But the suggestion that joseph smith may have used this book in his writing of the book of mormon hasnt seemed to gain much. The mesoamerican elements consistent with the book of mormon, and foreign to what joseph might have known, deserve serious consideration. Hunt, the late war, between the united states and great britain, from june 1812, to february 1815 1816 modeste gruau, the first book of napoleon, the tyrant of the earth. Essentially the argument against the book of mormon goes something like this. The late war against the book of mormon mcguire, benjamin l the late war against the book of mormon. Motivation given the book of mormon is a regular human book.